Quality & Work; not Birth
Prabhupada: Yei krsna tattva vettha sei guru haya. Anyone who understands the science of Krsna, he can become...
Prof. Kotovsky: Guru.
Prabhupada: ...the spiritual master.
Prof. Kotovsky: I understand. But in generally, by creating brahmanas from
different social classes of society, really you deny the old prescription
of Hindu script...
Prabhupada: No, I establish old, old scrip... I establish.
Prof. Kotovsky: Because according to old script, the Puranas, etc., every member of one of the four classes, these varnas...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prof. Kotovsky: ...is to be born inside it...
Prabhupada: No, no, no.
Prof. Kotovsky: ...but not appointed.
Prabhupada: No, no, no, no. No, no, no.
Prof. Kotovsky: This is the major...
Prabhupada: No, no, that... I am sorry...
Prof. Kotovsky: ...foundation of all the varnas.
Prabhupada: You are not speaking correctly. I beg... We beg... With great
respect I beg to submit, you are, that you are not speaking correctly. In
the Bhagavad-gita it is stated, catur-varnyam maya srstam
guna-karma-vibhagasah: [Bg. 4.13] "These four orders of brahmana,
ksatriya, vaisya, sudra is created by Me according
to quality and work." There is no mention of birth. There is no mention of
birth.
Prof. Kotovsky: Yes, I agree with you that this was addition of late brahmanas who tried to...
Prabhupada: No, that, that has killed the Indian culture. You see? Otherwise
there was no necessity of division of this Pakistan. Not only that, from
history, perhaps you know, this whole planet was Bharatavarña, and
it was controlled by one flag up to Maharaja Pariksit. Gradually they
separated, separated. This is the history. And late, lately they have separated
Pakistan. So Bharatavarsa is now crippled into a small piece of land.
Otherwise this whole... According to our scripture, Vedic scripture, this,
this whole planet is called Bharatavarsa. Formerly it was named Ilavåtavarña,
but since the Emperor Bharata ruled over this planet, it is called Bharatavarsa
from Maharaja Bharata. So this culture, Krsna consciousness, Vedic culture,
were existing... Now any religion you take, Christian religion, Mohammedan
religion or Buddhist religion, they are, utmost, two thousand, three thousand
old, years old. But this Vedic scripture, you cannot trace out where is the
beginning, where is the beginning. It is therefore called sanatana, eternal.
And this culture is for the whole human society. It is not a departmental
religious faith. Religious faith you can change, but real dharma you cannot
change.
